The 2-1 trading style, or alternatively the 3-2, can substantially increase the quality of your fantasy rotation. When performed correctly, it’s an almost foolproof way to add players to your team that you should never have a chance at getting given the price you are paying. The basics of the strategy involve offering an opponent two players from your squad for one player on his squad (or 3 for 2), where the player on his squad is the best player involved in the deal. The players you offer should generally be one starter and one bench player, where the bench player is considered ‘rosterable’ (i.e. he’s not someone you’d be dropping anytime soon). Generally the starter on your squad and the star player you are trading for, play the same position. From your standpoint you are dealing in order to ‘upgrade’ a specific position. From the counterparty’s standpoint, they are downgrading but are getting something worthwhile to do so:
Here’s an example:
You give to your opponent in a trade: David Lee (ranked about 30th) and Courtney Lee (ranked about 100 but top 5 overall in steals per game)
You get from your opponent: Chris Bosh (ranked about 10th)
This type of trade is ideal for your opponent should they be in the position where they are in need of steals (and particularly if you are not). In this case, what they give up doesn’t hurt so much because of the benefit they get back. Since Courtney Lee was sitting on your bench (in roto) or adding to a category you aren’t in need of (in all formats), you’ve essentially traded David Lee for Chris Bosh, a huge upgrade indeed.
There is one huge side effect to making a deal like this that actually further increases the benefit to you, the freed up roster spot. Let’s say you’ve made the trade above and currently John Salmons is sitting on your FA wire. By picking him up once the trade goes through, you’ve effectively changed this from a 2-1 trade to a 2-2 trade, with Salmons being the second player you received. I don’t know many ballas that wouldn’t be geeked at landing Salmons and Bosh for Lee and Lee. Particularly if the swap of steals for treys (between Salmons and C. Lee) boosts your squad.
At the outset of every season I scout the FA wire and make a list of guys sitting out there that should be on somebody’s roster. I then scout my opponents to see who is holding a player that doesn’t deserve to be on a roster whatsoever. This is important because the person you trade with will have to drop a player to make the trade with you. If they don’t have a droppable guy, they won’t do the deal. In some cases, you might have to literally hold the opponents hand through the deal by offering a 2-2 trade where the second player he deals is one that should be on the FA wire. For instance:
You give: David Lee and Courtney Lee
You get: Chris Bosh and Andres Nocioni (ranked YUCK!)
Once the trade goes through, you’re simply dumping Noc for Salmons, doing the dirty work for your trade partner. This is a very effective way to upgrade players in your lineup. This is how I stack my team with Tier Three’s and Tier Two’s at the season’s outset. No matter how competitive the league, and believe me mine is competitive, there are ALWAYS guys on the FA wire that shouldn’t be there, and guys on teams that shouldn’t be there, for at least the first two months.
That owner was holding Nocioni for a reason, usually because he read some –run of the mill beat writer- from yahoo or espn or wherever write up a glorious praise for one night’s performance. Now he’s got to fight with having Nocioni on his bench, or dropping him, which is harder than you think because he is fighting his own ego. You are merely offering to give him an ‘out’ on Mr. Nocioni.
I know what your next question will be: how do I know if that guy on the FA wire is rosterable? Simple, look at the worst player on your team and compare his averages with the best available FA wire players averages. Are they close? Does the FA player start for their team? Do they get 30+ minutes a night? Did they just replace an injured guy for the season? All questions to be asked, and if you’re really in doubt, The Thief is always here to help.
Now we’re already over a month into the season, and those FA wires are getting bare. So get out there and propose some deals before the last rosterable option gets scooped up. Remember, targeting what other teams need will make the trade go smoother and will generate positive buzz about you in your league!
Monday, December 14, 2009
The 2-1 Trade, A Fantasy Manager's Best Tactic to Win.
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Hey Thief
ReplyDeleteanyway to improve my team
16 team head to head category league
Cats are Field Goals Made Free Throws Made Three Pointers Made Offensive Rebounds Defensive Rebounds Assists Steals Blocks Turonvers Double Doubles Triple Doubles Quadrouple Doubles and points
my sauce numbers
FGM 7.29
FTM 3.84
3PM 0.41
OREB 1.57
DREB 5.43
AST 4.71
STL 1.11
BLK 0.53
TO 2.74
DD .34
TD
QD
PTS 18.86
my team
PG Derrick Rose
SG Tyerek Evans (PG SG)
SF LeBron James
PF Carlos Boozer
C Al Jefferson (PF C)
UTIL Luis Scola (PF C)
UTIL Russell Westbrook
BENCH
JR Smith
Corey Brewer (SG SF)
Danilo Gallinari (SF PF)
Jason Thompson
IR Fracisco Garcia (SG SF)
Rank yuck?
ReplyDeleteHaha I love it!
Skeet, WOW that's an intense league! Talk about overdoing it. Yeah I'd suggest using both gallinari and Thompson with Evans and scola in some 2-1 deals.
ReplyDeleteDave, ha! It's true ain't it! Why does anyone own this guy?!?
Yo, just pulled off another trade
ReplyDeleteGot : Stephen Jackson for: Bargnani
and late last week I got Pau for : Mo will and Lamar
how about it, am I making the right moves?
I'd give the new secret sauce but I have to wait for the pending trades to really go through before I can update in that regard. Thanks pimpin
hello mr. thief,
ReplyDeletei've recently discovered your blog and i have to say, it is quite insightful.
i've been itching to make a trade. I just feel my team isn't good enough to win the whole thing. even though i currently 2nd in my 10 team H2H, i just don't know if my team has what it takes.
Should i do anything to my team to make it better?
Here's my team:
Jason Kidd
Russell Westbrook
Brandon Jennings
Brandon Roy
Jason Terry
Hedo Turkoglu
Danny Granger
Corey Maggette
Charlie Villanueva
Michael Beasley
Nene
Brook Lopez
Chris Kaman
Some FA's in my league:
Jameer Nelson
Leandro Barbosa
Tyrus Thomas
Louis Williams
Courtney Lee
T.J. Ford
Nate Robinson
Mario Chalmers
Brad Miller
Joel Pryzbilla
Ronnie Brewer
Tayshaun Prince
Erick Dampier
Broski, love em both! With Kobe hurting, Pau will be HUGE. And if it isn't obvious, I'm a big fan of SJax.
ReplyDeletePhil! Welcome! Glad to help. Please refer to the post Secret Sauce, once you run the numbers suggested there we'll be able to get an accurate picture of your teams strengths and weaknesses. Then report back!
oh man sorry about not posting the saucy numbers.
ReplyDeletei just calculated them and i believe i did it right. here it is.
PTS - 17.38
REB - 5.81
AST - 4.27
STL - 1.12
BLK - .77
3PM - 1.29
my 10 team h2h has 15 categories.
FGA FTA 3PA PTS STL
FGM FTM 3PM REB BLK
FG% FT% 3P% AST TOs
do i need to give numbers for all the cats?
oh yeah my starting roster would be:
ReplyDeleteJason Kidd (PG)
Brandon Roy (SG)
Jason Terry (G)
Hedo Turkoglu (SF)
Danny Granger (PF)
Nene (F)
Chris Kaman (C)
Brook Lopez (C)
Russell Westbrook (UTIL)
Brandon Jennings (UTIL)
-----------------------------
Charlie Villanueva (BENCH)
Michael Beasley (BENCH)
Corey Magette (BENCH)
Good stuff phil, now we can see you're heavy in treys and light in blocks. I think Okafor could be a good addition. Try moving Terry and a bench player for Okafor and a mid ranked (40-70) guard. Good luck!
ReplyDeleteGreetings Mr. Thief,
ReplyDeleteJust traded K. Perkins and R. Hamilton (which I picked up from FA a week ago) for E. Okafor. Pretty sweet huh? Your blog is awesome. Anyway, need your advice to pull off the ultime in the act of thievin, get LBJ!!!
10 team, H2H, 8 cat. Here you'll find my starter's sauce #:
PTS: 16.56
AST: 3.99
REB: 6.92
3'S: .78 (below)
Steal 1.16
Block .87
My roster:
CP3
Billups
A. Iggudala
P. Gasol
Nene
Okafor
Bogut
Gordon
L. Aldrige
Bench:
C. Douglas-Roberts
Okur
Josh Howard
What 2 for 1 may land me Lebron? Love your blog my man.
Greedy! You have CP3 and want LBJ too! In my experience peeps tend to not let you have players 1 and 2. Also, great Okafor trade! I REALLY like your team as is BUT if you must, try Iggy and Nene. Man it'd be sick if you land LBJ too. Good luck playa!
ReplyDeleteHey Thief,
ReplyDelete10 Man, Roto, 9 Categories.
Currently: 2nd Place
FG% - 4th.
FT& - 3rd.
3PM - 5th.
PTS - 1st
REB - 7th
AST - 3rd.
STL - 4th.
BLK - 7th
TO - 9th.
I recently traded Lebron for Bosh and Rondo. I dropped Dampier.
My current team:
Rondo
J. Crawford
B. Davis
Deng
Beasley
Melo
Bosh
Scola
Perkins
Salmons
S. Curry
Blake Griffin
Jarrett Jack (Should I drop for Przybilla?)
Do you think I got my money's worth for Lebron?
hey i need some help im sitting 9th in a 10 team h2h league ... id like to think i did an ok drafting consider i was 7 out of 10 but im not able to make an trades to try and better my team... i have run into sum injury probs as well...let me know if i should make moves or stick with it till i get healthy..here is my squad...thanks!
ReplyDeletek-mart (sac. kings)
d will
westbrook
thompson
dirk
t. murphy
bogut
calderon
b. lopez
redd
jameer
gallinari
d. lee
Andy, there is no trade worth LeBron in my opinion, but you did about as good as one can hope for.
ReplyDeleteAndy and Anony, please read the post Secret Sauce. In it you'll find my formula for evaluating your team. Once you pump out the numbers, we'll both better know what you need and who you can trade. Then report back!
I agree with this and looking to swing one of this down the line. Gabadoo I am interested in your take on my lineup.
ReplyDelete14 team H2H 11 cat
pts/reb/Oreb/asts/stls/blks/3s/fg%/ft%/TO/techfouls
sauce numbers:
Pts: 13.36
Rebs: 6.47
Asts: 3.17
Stl: 1.17
Blks: .95
3s: 1.03
Lineup:
Starters:
CP3
Kidd
Salmons
A Morrow
Gallo
Thaddeus Young
J Thompson
Birdman
Brook Lopez
Ben Wallace
Andrew Bogut
My bench has
Rip
Josh Howard
Biedrins
Sauce numbers don't include my bench so probably better than what the saucy numbers suggest. I wanna get a 2 for 1 done since Kevin Martin is sitting in our FA. I will pick him up by Friday anyway for maybe Morrow if he is still slumping. Thanks in advance. :D
hey thief ... sorry i didnt put my sauce numbers before....here they are
ReplyDeletepts-17.20
rebs-6.37
asts-3.74
stls-1.04
blks-0.75
ps. loving ur blog
hey Fantasy Basketball Legend!
ReplyDeletei'm in a little bit of a dilemma with my team. I need to UPGRADE! I am willing to trade anyone on my team, as long as I get the better deal (you know). so lemme get to the chase.
My Team's Sauce:
PTS: 14.86
REB: 5.01
AST: 3.44
3s: 1
STL: .98
BLK: .4
not so great huh?
heres the team:
Luke Ridnour
Dwayne Wade
Ersan Ilyasova
David West
David Lee
Ray Allen
OJ Mayo
Mike Bibby
Wilson Chandler
Chris Duhon
BENCH:
Shaq O'Neal
Grant Hill
Leandro Barbosa
14 Teams, 9 H2h, My teams FT% is 85%, thats why i dont start shaq
any trade suggestions for players to target? Who should I ship in a 2-1.
Hey and thanks again, I found out about this on a message board and am really thankful for your services. Cheers!
Dmonray, try moving one of your big boards guys for Stephen Jackson, you could use more points and can afford to lose a little boards. I would try (depending on the gullibility of the other guy) Birdman, Wallace, Bogut, Thompson, in that order (he'll prolly take Thompson).
ReplyDeleteAnony, surprised you aren't doing better. I think you have just had bad luck so far. Try moving Jay Thompson for Eric Gordon, you could use a boost in treys. Thanks for the Kudos too, good lookin out!
Yizzie!! Welcome balla, let's cut to the chase. Your team ain't so bad, but you DEF need a big boards n blocks guy. But we NEED to steal him bigtime. Try Ridnour for Okafor (tell him you'll throw in a bench player if need be). If you can't land Okafor, try the same with Noah. Let me know how it goes. Hang in there, ITS A LONG SEASON!
Hey Thief,
ReplyDeleteThe Westbrook and Deng for Harris didn't pan out. Is there someone else I can try to package the two for? I'm starting to fall behind in 3PTM from the current leader, still very close in steals, and with the pickup of Kevin Love, I've taken the lead in rebounds though the gap still isn't huge.
My team again:
PG: D-Will, Rondo, Mo-Will, Westbrook
SG: Wade, B-Roy, Iguodala, Kevin Martin
SF: R-Lewis, Deng
PF: Boozer, Love
C: B-Lopez, Bargnani, A-Bynum
My sauce numbers again: (not including injured Kevin Martin)
pts: 18.06
reb: 6.65
ast: 4.39
stl: 1.21
blk: 0.78
tos: 2.57
3pt: 0.99
i proposed:
ReplyDeleteGIVE:
RIDNOUR & SHAQ
GET:
NOAH & NATE ROBINSON
thoughts?
DW, we gotta move Deng for value before it goes away! Try moving him for J-Rich to get some treys and blocks.
ReplyDeleteYizzie! Don't be Greedy, let him keep Nate Rob, if you get Noah for those two, YOU BE BALLIN!
Gabadoo,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the quick response. SJax's owner is 3rd bottom and also has Caron Butler and LaMarcus. Any 3-2 deals you think I could swing? Thanks again.
haha gotcha. If this goes throughman , you should be sitting on the panel next to Stuart Scott during NBA Shootaround!
ReplyDeletehey thief, great blog, been following for a while but first post. havent been thieving but lets hope that changes, but on to the good stuff
ReplyDeleteh2h league, 12 teams, 8 cat
fg%, ft%, 3ptm, pts, reb, asts, stl, blk, to
pg. chris paul
sg. paul pierce
sf. antawn jamison
pf. marcus camby
c. andrew bogut
bench
larry hughes
anthony randolph (being a gsw fan hurts)
erick dampier
joel pryzbilla (owned oden)
andre miller (waiting on that trade)
derrick rose
tyler hansbrough (add/drop)
allen iverson
sauce.
pts. 16.86
assists: 4.14
boards. 7.4
treys. 1.04
steals. 1.34
blocks. .96
any suggestions?
sorry, its me again. I'm just really addicted to fantasy sports and the discover of your site.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering who can i get in a 2-1. I plan on giving up say Hill and Mayo(doing pretty well recently, sell high?). Thanks
heres my saucy sauce again.
PTS: 14.86
REB: 5.01
AST: 3.44
3s: 1
STL: .98
BLK: .4
BIG BALLA!
yo thief,
ReplyDeletei offered this dude j.thompson plus big ben for stephen jackson...he rejected
i also offered j. thompson for j.salmons, he rejected...what should I do? what am i doing wrong i thought i was being reasonable..
DMonray, BOOYAH BONANZA! Oh man I'm rooting for you to take all three down. Yeah lets go Gallinari, Morrow, Thompson for the 3 Buy Lows. See if he bites or counters. Man if you knock this down I'm givin you Thief of the Week Award!
ReplyDeleteYizzie, try Hill and Mayo for Jason Richardson. J-Rich is like a better version of Mayo! Thanks for the Kudos too!
GOOSE! Bout time we heard from ya! You know what I'm gonna say playa, I'm gonna tell ya to SELL SELL SELL on Pierce and Camby. Looks like y'all don't play many starters though so might be tough to find a trade partner? If so it's try dealing em both to the same manager. Also if possible I'd like to see Okafor instead of Bogut on your squad. Bogut is too injury prone. Good Luck!
Ramm, you are being reasonable, he sounds scared to trade. Bring out the alternative tools. Use email, IM, phone, get in touch with the sucka and ask him what he's lookin to get. This is gonna take a verbal negotiation!
ReplyDeletedon't you think dude would be like "wtf" if i email? how you soften that blow?
ReplyDeleteNot at all, emailing is part of the game, that's why they let you see his addy. Get on that, just be cordial and stroke his ego a bit 'hey man, you drafted really well. Interested in trading at all?'
ReplyDeleteThanks Thief!
ReplyDeleteHey, Jason Richardson owner is lacking in 3s so he might keep him, but what do you think about Ginobili? He hit some 3s and grabbed some steals this week w/ good percentages. Is he a BUY LOW candidate?
The owner trying to trade him also has Antawn Jamison.. Do I have a better chance at Ginobili w/ Westbrook and Deng? Or is Jamison the better player?
Ginobili is a buy VERY low, his injuries scare me. However if you can get Jamison, do so. Antawn is a monster in fantasy.
ReplyDeleteMorning Thief. Looking at your list of players who shouldn't be on the waiver I got a laugh because all but one are FA's in my league. JJack was picked up just yesterday. I'm trying to move Deng for 3ball help but the guy wants Tyreke Evans for either salmons or Ben Gordon. He would also do Salmons and B.Gordon for Deng and Evans. This manager also has Arenas and I've thought about offereing up Evans and Deng for Gil and then picking up Beidrins. What do you think. Here is my roster:
ReplyDeletePG: Rondo, Evans, T. Parker
SG: Wade, Broy
SF: Iggyuodala, Deng, Morrow
PF: Nowitzki, KG, Brand
C: B. Lopez, Pryzbilli
After going over the sauce I have good numbers across the board other than 3pts made. I'm first in my league but If I could bring my 3's and FG% up I would dominate. Any thoughts?
PS: I posted something similar in the Gil Arenas blog. Please disregard. THanks Thief.
12 team h2h standard 9 cat. ive done many trades since the draft, so i was wondering how i did.
ReplyDeletePG: nash
SG: iggy
G: rondo
SF: s-jax
PF: josh smith
F: scola
C: okafor
Util: love
Util: aldridge
Util: curry
BN: felton
BN: tyson chandler
BN: dunleavy
BN: przybilla
BN: granger
what should i trade to get LBJ, I was thinking Pierce,Artest am i overdoing it or add in Ersan or Duhon or Peja S?
ReplyDeleteI'm offering Melo and T. Thomas for Kobe, is it a good deal with kobe injueries and all?
ReplyDelete