Saturday, December 26, 2009

But What If My Sell High Player Keeps Outperforming?!

I don't even remember what this F*ckin post says, but I know it's a solid lesson for the newbies to learn, and even my oldest readers will get something out of it. More importantly, I'm seven hours n a bottle of scotch down and The Secret Sauce spreadsheet is almost ready for delivery. This will take your game to the next level, and take this blog with it. You will instantly know your sauce, regardless of league size, and know what stat cats you need to focus on. Easy to use and FREE cause the Thief's got you covered. I'm rolling it out first thing Monday, with stat updates available every Monday after that. Taking it to the next level. Now read this post so you can learn how to dominate. I'll be up for awhile, holla if ya hear me playa.
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---this ones for you Christo =)---------
I got this question from a reader in the comments section (which for some reason got erased when I switched over to a private domain) and it's a valid one, glad he brought it up! For reference, new readers should read the earlier blog posts first!

When you sell a player high, such as Carmelo Anthony right now, you'll be getting (what I like to call) FULL VALUE. That is, so long as you're getting players back in the trade that equate to
Let's take a look at the exact type of trade I mentioned. For starters, I sold Jason Tompson and bought Caron Butler. Now if JT does NOT mean revert, and Caron ALSO does NOT mean revert, then the two should finish the season with comparable stats. I've lost nothing because I got FULL VALUE for Thomspson. Alternatively, my counterparty in the trade that sold me Butler (and was Selling LOW) needs JT to continue this pace AND for Butler to stay slumping to just break even on the deal.

The Melo trade, whereby you'd get back Amare and Rose is the same issue. Even if Melo continues this torrid pace, you're getting back two players who, even if they continue to slump, are still of the same value as Melo is RIGHT NOW.

And I have to be honest here, it could happen. Melo could have that rare MVP season and JT could be the nest great big man. But like I said, by selling them high, or at peak performance, you're getting back enough to successfully cash in on the deal.

But what this question really comes down to is: Don't fall in love with your players! I know it's tough. It's tough to not want every Carmelo on your squad right now. It's counterintuitive to be going after Caron Butler. That's why it works and why it is easy!

A great example is a player I blogged about last night, Courtney Lee. Courtney began the season shooting in the low 30% range. This was abysmal, painful, and he was being universally dumped by managers. But it is VERY unlikely that a career 45% shooter will run for a whole season at a 30% clip. This is a human being, who was at practice shooting every opportunity he got, working to get himself back to his MEAN level. Last night you saw the culmination of that effort with an astounding breakout game. Hope you didn't sleep on him!

In the strategy MEAN REVERSION, we first have to identify a players MEAN, or basically their average performance level. The best, most accurate indicator is going to be their career levels. When I look for a solid Sell High or Buy Low guy, I look for a player with an established career (college and pro's) where year in and year out his numbers stay pretty constant.

Sure, the mean (or average) is a moving target. Melo has increased his PPG for his entrie career. And I'm sure he'll push it higher this year. But it's likely not going to be THIS much higher. You know that, I know that, but the kid you're selling to doesn't know that. He just wants that big stud player on his team any way he can get him. And at no point in time during the rest of this season will Melo possibly garner MORE back in a trade than right now. Don't fall in love, cash that puppy in.

Does this strategy work 100% of the time? NOPE, butI can tell you that with my help, it'll work 80% of the time, and that will leave you with one hell of a stacked team by seasons end. And besides, we don't want it working 100% of the time, else no one in your league would ever trade with you again!

Stay tuned for a post later today which will outline my current BUY LOW and SELL HIGH players.

26 comments:

  1. Really looking forward to Monday Theif. Being a newly wed the wifey might not be too happy once I start analyizing my team every night and trying to work trades, but still looking forward to it.

    So I know you said to not fall in love with players, but Zach Randolph is playing out of his mind right now and is continuing his run. Sounds like this is a prime example of a player that is maxing on value. What player or players do you suggest I try and pick up.

    My Sauce: (H2H 10 TEAM)
    Points - 19.19
    Assists - 3.71
    Boards - 6.52
    Treys - 1.24
    Steals - .97
    Blocks - .68

    My Squad
    Arenas
    Stuckey
    Davis
    Carter
    Granger
    Thompson
    Duncan
    Z Randolph
    Ariza
    Harrington

    Hughes
    Dunleavy
    McGrady
    Salmons

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  2. Theif! I LOVE your work. You're really on to something here...So glad I stumbled upon this site, I just hope no one in my other leagues find it. You actually inspired me to get a little more active and seek out some prey. I actually just scored Lebron for Wade and Westbrook. That felt great. Now, I'm thirsty to land another stud; maybe Joe Johnson, Jason Richardson, Monta Ellis, or Brandon Roy. Can you see any possiblities to tempt some teams?

    Here's my team, 12 team H2H Standards cats. Currently 5th place
    Strong cats: Assists, steals, rebounds, blocks.

    PG- Rondo
    G-Artest
    SG- Kidd
    SF- Lebron
    PF- Brook Lopez
    F- Speights
    C- Channing Frye
    Util- Noah
    Util-Bargnani
    Bench-Diaw, Ersan Ilyasova, Anthony Randolph, Stuckey

    Secret Sauce:
    points 25.3
    assists 4.26
    boards 6.87
    treys 1.11
    steals 1
    blocks .92

    Mr. P

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  3. who do u recommend i pick up between spieghts, beindrins, and ty thomas...i jus traded sjax, ben gordon, and westbrook for rondo and kev martin....so now i have an extra spot....and the person im goin to pick up is more valuable for bein able to trade down the road not really what they can do for me because i wanna wait a cpl weeks and use them in a 2 for 1 wit gallanari...

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  4. That's what I'm talkin about playas. After the sauce rollout, I got another spreadsheet comin, enter a player and it tells you to Buy, Hold, or Sell!!

    Xand1, you neeed to b workin Z and Granger for a knockout blow. Try for like Deron n GWall, throw in salmons to get the deal done. Congrats on the marriage yo, but make her know fantasy is our hobby, nuff said.

    Mr. P!! Wasssssssaaaaaaappppp! I like you tryin to work frye n stckey for J-Rich. Lemme know how it goes. Knock it down yo!

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  5. Clint Eastwood, Tyrus Thomas no doubt. He's fresh n hungry. He'll pay off on a qwikl deal. Fo sho.

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  6. Who do I drop for Ty Thomas?

    Tony Parker
    Chris Duhon
    Mike Conley

    Duhon and Conley are recent WW pickups. Tony Parker has been a complete disappointment thus far this season.

    I'm in need of rebounds and blocks but can't lose any more 3's, assists, or steals...

    Is Tony Parker worth holding onto?

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  7. drop mcgrady for TT? i was holding him for the trade value once he gets playing, i know a couple guys in my league that are big tmac fans (falling in love with players type of guys). is it worth it?

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  8. Isn't Courtney Lee a bit too overrated? Callin him a "career 45% shooter" is entirely misleading...he's played only one season! And in that season, he played alongside Lewis and Turkoglu, who drew plenty of attentin for their outside shooting and also had a pretty decent big guy in the middle....oh yeah the most dominant center in the league! Now Lee is getting plenty of attention on a shifty team and isn't getting the open looks that he had last year. I mean, maybe his shooting last year was a good year for him and now his mid-upper 30s is the norm?

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  9. Granted he shot 45% at Western Kentucky, you can't expect that to hold true at the NBA level against the best players in the world.

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  10. Heya thief! I really like your forum. Here's a question. I was offered with this trade:

    I get Durant, Dunleavy and Frye.

    I give Bosh, M. Gasol and A. Brooks.

    This is my team:
    Rondo
    Jennings
    Brooks
    Duhon
    Ariza
    Landry
    Marion
    Aldridge
    Bosh
    D. Lee
    Bogut
    M. Gasol
    Yi Jianlian (I just added him today, dropped Iverson)

    My secret sauce:
    Points: 16.05
    Assists: 3.69
    Boards: 6.66
    Steals: 1.06
    Blocks: .68

    His team:
    D. Williams
    J. Johnson
    Nelson
    Durant
    A. Randolph
    Tyrus Thomas
    Bargnani
    Frye
    Dunleavy
    C.J. Watson
    Hawes
    Calderon
    Kevin Martin

    Opinions for my counter-offer to him?

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  11. Senn, drop conley an work Parker in a trade. Conley will still be there down the road.

    TCW, Thomas should be on a team. If that means you gotta drop TMac, so be it, but Thomas should def be on a team.

    PO, I hear you. I wrote this post around Dec first. Today Lee is a prime sell high guy, with all the steals. As for his FG%, I'll say he should shoot closer to 45% than 30%.

    Norg, try swapping bargs for frye n see what's up.

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  12. What's up Thief!

    I just sent a trade offer. Melo and Jarret Jack for Deron Williams and Michael Redd. I know Redd isn't doing good but I needed someone to put in on his side as I didn't need big men from him. Jack was just a throw-in. I tried to sucker him in too by giving him some props lol.

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  13. Hey Thief,

    What would you do with Salmons at this point of the game now that he's coming off the bench? He's been sitting on my bench in hopes of that spark in him lighting up. Is he still worth a roster spot?

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  14. Thief whats your thoughts on these offers..fair?

    Roto, KEEP 3 players at the end. 13GMs
    12 cats (FGM, FG%, FTM, FT%, 3PTM, 3PT%, PTS, REB, AST, BLK, ST, TO)

    I offer: Wade (keeper)
    for: Durant (keeper)

    I offer: Rondo(keeper)+Marion
    for: BRoy (keeper)

    I offer: JNelson+Haywood+Salmons
    for: Jamison(keeper)+E.Gordon

    I traded Udrih for Speights (and right after Udrih gets put in starting line up and has a break out game)

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  15. Hey Thief, it's bandoogie again. The guy who is ranked last in my league is looking to make some offers. He wants Baron Davis. I don't really care for anyone on his roster, but he does have Dwight Howard. I still haven't heard back on the my B. Davis/C. Butler for GWall& JRich deal yet. Neither have I heard on my Charlie V. & AI for Paul Pierce deal either. Should I scrap the first deal, and try to use B. Davis to get Dwight Howard? Thanks.

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  16. Kobe, melo for Deron, AND you get a lil juice with Redd, I like that deal.

    Intro, I like all three though the last one is a stretch. Don't sweat udrih, martins back soon and will make udrih garbage.

    Bandoooooooogie! What's up playa, yeah BD for Howard would be a sweet score, especially with your sauce. I'd say offer both trades out, first come first served.

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  17. Andy, hold him if you can for another couple weeks. Coming off the bench might be just what he needs. Remember he came off the bench in Sac. He's too good of a player to give up on yet. But the leash ain't long.

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  18. Okay, he's not going to offer Howard for BD straight up. He would offer Marc Gasol for BD straight up. I am waiting on him to tell me who else he would like in addition to BD for Howard. Will let you know. To be honest, I think I would love to ship off David West. I'm tired of his underperforming.

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  19. hey Thief one more for you. I have Kidd and am looking to get Nash. Owner said he would do Nash+Millsap for Kidd+Beasley. Any thoughts on this? I'm not huge on Millsap unless Boozer is traded and that's a big IF to take on.

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  20. Thief! What's up with Diaw? He has been horrible since the Jackson trade...is he worthy of a roster spot? I'm in a 14 team H2H league and am losing patience...Mike Miller is on the WW and is catching my eye...

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  21. Bando, West isn't THAT bad. If you can get value for him, go for it. But it's so hard to sell a guy low for value, takes a real swindling ya know.

    Intro, millsap is worthless right now due to inconsistent playing time. But if you want Nash, beasley n Kidd is a fair price.

    Po, drop him. Nuff said.

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  22. Sup thief,

    Really excited about the updates.

    I've been trying to work the Nene sell high for a while (guess hes not so high anymore), but I came up with Horford and Nene for Pau and Brand. Think that could swing it, the guy is in last and brand hasnt been starting so he may wanna switch up.

    My sauce:
    Pts: 15.52
    3Pt: 1.10
    Rebounds: 6.8
    Assist:2.97
    Steal:1.1
    Blocks:0.88

    Any suggestions on who to move. Im in 2nd, and rlly want to make the last improvements, maybe in terms of assists.

    My team: Durant, Gwall, billups, hughes, arenas, okafor, frye, horford, haywood, landry, nene, lou will, artest.

    Thanks thief!

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  23. neel, you gotta try to move Durant maybe with Frye for CP3. You need a top PG, start with Paul, then go to Nash and Deron.

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  24. Will try to do that thief, who do I get to cover the point loss?

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  25. How does Durant and Frye for Chandler and Paul sound? Or is it too much, should i try for CP3 and diaw or CP3 and battier instead?

    Thanks thief!

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  26. See if that goes through, then we can work on dealing horford and/or landry for more points.

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